[leonmcain]

ok so i just got banned for reporting a scamer you may know him, his name is "JUSTIN WASHINGTON"

i told mm and he dont care because he payed MM fee and blahblah!!

so i wrote down he was scamer and dave1980 banned me!
this is lond and there are some unjust lines from me they are made as a joke please dont take them to heart but please read will make you /laugh at egs now


Dave says:
So I imagine your wondering about your ban

leon says:
nope i really dont care

Dave says:
If you didnt care you wouldnt have made the second account

leon says:
your gonna say i talked srap and blahblah
i was just gonna say on that thread he is justin

Dave says:
Well, you did technically...
but
You commented about how the mm doesnt care about the customers and basically posting stuff like that makes the site look bad

leon says:
no it just makes the MM look bad!

Dave says:
You are correct though. I honestly dont care what he did. Its not my problem.
Im there to keeps the members safe. Not be a nice guy.
I also do so FREE OF CHARGE. The site owner gets the mm fees. The actual middlemen get nothing

leon says:
do you ban people for having multi accounts?

Dave says:
We do this FOR the customers
If they trip the system it auto bans

leon says:
ahhhh so i can scam people all day long and if i switch IPs its all grovvey?

Dave says:
Well if your caught scamming you will be banned but to be honest....yeah
thats pretty much how it works
its not a perfect system by any means

leon says:
thanks tho just shows you i was right and MM dont care about the customer!

Dave says:
Its not that
I offered you a solution to finish this deal and pickup the gil

leon says:
IF you were any kind of a good person you would split the gill you got from him to the other mods that play the game lol just to show him hee cant get away with it

Dave says:
If I do that then im no better

leon says:
as it is you dont care about anyone getting scamed as long as somone pays the MM fee

Dave says:
if you use a mm you cant get scammed
and like I said the mm fee doesnt mean shit to me
I dont see any of it
I do this to help the members
Its MY time and MY accounts used to do this

leon says:
please help members then let everyone know that Justin washington the most prolific scamer has a new name!!!
you banned me for letting people know its ok to scam!

Dave says:
I banned you for slandering the staff
and because I was quite irritated at you wasting my time.

leon says:
i am sorry for letting you know a scamer is welling on your sight
selling*
as i know you do this just for the costomers

Dave says:
look

leon says:
and to tell them a scamer isnt gonna help them!
OOO wait it would help!
i dont understand y you giving me a hard time, i will say sorry for doing what i think is right
if i have pissed you off im sorry

Dave says:
Also he was willing to give you extra gil to make up for whatever issues you two had

leon says:
ok ill just take the gill and forget this sale thats the gill he owes me $400 woth
so 40 mil do you think he would be ok with that??
and be honest
do you think he would give me $400 worth of gil?

Dave says:
I cant make those decisions nor can I guess what he would do.

leon says:
kk ask him? ill still take the rest

Dave says:
I guess what I need to figure out here is are you going to complete the sale?. Im not going to go back and forth over a debt I have nothing to do with.
I have the gil, so theres no way he can rip you off

leon says:
if you buy a car and it breaks down 1 month later and theres no way of fixing it!!

do you buy another car from the same person?
Dave says:
Thats totally different. Thats risking the same problem as before. Considering I have the gil theres no risk.
now if I knew I could buy from the same person and have no risk then yeah i probably would if the price was good

leon says:
now you sound like you know him and all you want is the money sending!
so nope
in the nicest way

Dave says:
Ok now your just acting paranoid lol

leon says:
$1600 +400 he did me b4
2k
thats worth getting paraniod over
O BTW!

Dave says:
Well thats worth being cautious over

leon says:
nice pic
tell him give me 400$ worth of gill and ill buy the rest off him

Dave says:
You tell him. I told you that doesnt involve me. Apparently talking to you was a mistake.

leon says:
lol how i am banned

Dave says:
and you can be unbanned....
quick process really

leon says:
not what it says on the site
says NEVER
lol

Dave says:
yep unless senior staff unbans you
which I am senior staff
Anyway, ive offered to finish the deal so if you decide you want to do that let me know. You and him can discuss things.

leon says:
still says banned

Dave says:
your unbanned, now please figure out whats going on here.
....
really?

leon says:
so how com i cant send mesages to other mods?

Dave says:
you disappoint me leon

leon says:
? how so?

Dave says:
you arent happy with how I deal with things so you try to go around me.
Cant say I appreciate that

leon says:
yes!
and your point ?
your the one who baned me so i must go to a 3rd party mod ??
you disagree?

Dave says:
The only one above me is the site owner. The other mods have no say in the matter.

leon says:
LOL
haha
EGS is crooked

Dave says:
lol
your entitled to your opinion

leon says:
now i know your talking out you ass!
no it is

Dave says:
how am I talking out my ass?

leon says:
how do 1 person make all the rules

Dave says:
because thats how management works

leon says:
and then inforce them

Dave says:
I answer to the site owner
All other staff answer to me

leon says:
BS

Dave says:
not bs

leon says:
your from usa right?

Dave says:
Correct

leon says:
you should know then
dick-tators always fail!

Dave says:
lol

leon says:
lolz

Dave says:
Let me put it to you like this. I mm'd a $2100 sale the other day. If egs was crooked as you put it then I would have screwed them over

leon says:
if there is no 3rd party resorce to look assess and ack then theres no point to complaints at all
funny how the only MM topdog has used is you!

Dave says:
Im the only MM thats handling items and gil thats why

leon says:
and tha fact in the rules says you will be banned if scamer and multi accounts YET you still havent banned topdod?
EVEN tho he has told you he fucked me over

Dave says:
He didnt say he fucked you over

leon says:
yet hes not in the wrong i am

Dave says:
He just said he owed you some gil

leon says:
also he was willing to give you extra gil to make up for whatever issues you two had
i told you the issue
and as 2nd in command you should know his name!!!
surly
you have heard of his name
"justin wasington"

Dave says:
I recognize the name yes

leon says:
yet no ban?
hmmmm

Dave says:
not while mm transactions are being handled no

leon says:
1 of 3 things going on here

Dave says:
do tell

leon says:
1 your him!
Dave says:
LOL

leon says:
2 you know him!

Dave says:
another LOL

leon says:
3 you dont care about people getting scamed
you say im paranoid

Dave says:
If people use the mm service and are careful then they cant be scammed

leon says:
nope just wondering why you dont care
and just so you know i did use MM when i bought the account from him in 2008
and got scamed!
now your gonna tell me "no account sale is 100% safe"
blahblah

Dave says:
well thats technically true
you know it

leon says:
If people use the mm service and are careful then they cant be scammed]
word to look at there os
CANT!

Dave says:
You want the truth?. I really dont care. I do my job on here and if people get scammed 90% of the time its because they werent using an mm.
and the rest is due to people buying accounts from new members with no established rep

leon says:
and just so you know i did use MM when i bought the account from him in 2008

Dave says:
and did he have good rep on site?

leon says:
now your just making shit up
lol

Dave says:
lol definitely not making anything up

leon says:
you say 1 thing then another 30 seconds later?
i just proved that 3 times

Dave says:
if you get scammed its your own foolishness whether it be from item/gil purchases without mm or buying an account from a low rep user

leon says:
why dont you put that on your site?

Dave says:
whats the point?. people dont listen.

leon says:
so what your saying is make 100% sure that the sale is 100% LEGIT?

Dave says:
not possible, just make sure your dealing with a reputable seller if your buying accounts

leon says:
ok what would you want me to do IF i came across a scamer?

Dave says:
not buy an account from them sounds like a good idea

leon says:
thats it?
ok so, and please do not take this to heart

Dave says:
pretty much because I can ban them all day long but its not hard for them to create more accounts

leon says:
IF somone kills 5000 people in 1 day do you, A, say its ok we know who did it please dont let them do it again or B, BOMB the fuck out of them!
this is harsh
im sorry
but what do you do

Dave says:
totally different kind of example

leon says:
im british i have a dry sence of humor
nope its now
100% same

Dave says:
lol

leon says:
diffrent subjects

Dave says:
scammers dont kill people lol

leon says:
rappers do

Dave says:
one is a life lost and the other is virtual goods or money

leon says:
LOL sorry i had to say that
ok so the $2k isnt real
its fake money or somthig??

Dave says:
never said it wasnt real

leon says:
so same question then

Dave says:
Look, if people play it safe then scammers cant scam.
If I ban them they make a new name and scam again
If I dont ban them then I can keep tabs on them

leon says:
so y havent you banned them yet just me?

Dave says:
I told you why I banned you

leon says:
STOP talking out your ass
please
keep tabs on him bollox!

Dave says:
Ok, I ban him. poof hes banned....then what????
Oh right
he makes a new account and I have no fucking clue who he is
how does that help anyone?

leon says:
tell everyong that there is a raffle people who use MM in the next month wins the items he traded you!
he may think twice
as you also need to ban arving as them to are friends
kinda makes sence that your all the same scaming person lol
hehe i make myslef chuckel somtimes

Dave says:
your accusations are really starting to get on my nerves

leon says:
thats what i would say is i was a scamer

Dave says:
oh right because only a scammer would take offense to being called a scammer right?

leon says:
thats what id say

Dave says:
I guess we are done here. You just want to keep talking shit. So you went from getting reimbursed by this guy and buying a shitload of gil cheap to getting nothing. GOOD JOB! You really showed him!.

leon says:
yep i showed him if you pay for mm then no matter what you dont get banned!! WooPWooP

Dave says:
lol

leon says:
thanks for helping your costomers by Keeping tabs on scamers and letting them Continue SCAMING !!!

Dave says:
all this over 400 bucks you would have gotten back. you really are a fool.

leon says:
he wont give itback tho
BECAUSE I ASKED HIM 4 YEARS AGO
!!!!!

Dave says:
I have ALL the gil already.
290m sitting on my mule.

leon says:
nice one please keep it and do some good
tell him to get fucked

Dave says:
lol

leon says:
hope he looses his house/flat as the moneys for rent
is there anychance of putting the fact he is a scamer on his thread?

Dave says:
Ok so just to finish this here. Your no longer wanting the gil right? LOL

leon says:
i want the $400 he owes me in gil but i cant/will not deal with a scamer! thats like asking a thief to look after your house while yougo on holiday!

Dave says:
yeah with the police there with him

leon says:
?

Dave says:
basically if the cops are there he cant do shit to your stuff
I have the gil so he cant scam you
thats my point

leon says:
you reallythink MM is the best thing ever dont you lol! no wonder your site is failing now!

Dave says:
well I know for this type of transaction a MM makes it impossible to scam
so yeah im up on my high horse

leon says:
well im sorry cos all you have been doing is changing the subject on all the matter i have!
you havent answerd 1 question

Dave says:
Ive answered every question you asked

leon says:
will you be banning topdog as the rules on your site say you should?

Dave says:
Once all deals in progress are complete then sure ill ban him just for YOU. Then I guarantee hes back in a day or less on a brand new account.

leon says:
well the deal is over i do not want anything from a scamer

Dave says:
Well others have purchased gil so until those are finished...

leon says:
so no?

Dave says:
like I said when all deals are complete

leon says:
others have payed and you have gill so why can you not still bann him and send him email with the codes for him to collect his money?

Dave says:
I can understand you bein a bit pissed off but you dont seem to get that 90% of the gil sold is supplied by scammers.
most of the gil the chinese buy is from scammers
so your not hurting him in any way
buyers are always out there

leon says:
so take the gill from him and dont send money???
use it to buy yourself a new server ?

Dave says:
tempting but again that would make me a scammer

leon says:
no would make you an enforcer
dont know about you but i was told crime never pays

Dave says:
thats a lie
crime pays very well

leon says:
unless its not real things your selling

Dave says:
and the best criminals generally run the country lol

leon says:
you would know you been scaming people for long time

Dave says:
meh our country tends to do that
never said I agreed with the government
but anyway
I can see why you wouldnt want him getting the money
Even if I did follow your suggestion and you buy the gil and I put all the money into the site. I could let you post all over egs about it and hail you as the biggest donor and tell everyone how you are trying to teach scammers a lesson
but
in the end, hes back under another name
selling more stolen gil
and this time maybe he has a neighbor pick up the payment and you end up buyin from him anyway lol

leon says:
yea and ill keep doing it to him
i can have diffrent names also

Dave says:
ya know im seriously tempted to do it your way just so you can see the outcome...
you think it will make a difference...if only

leon says:
i think it would
have you ever tryed it

Dave says:
nope

leon says:
well there you go
you see a thief in middle east can only steal thing 2 times
1st time they lose there left hand
2nd they lose there right
how the fuk do they steal with no hands
so it wont happen a 3rd time

Dave says:
think of it this way, thanks to the internet this thief has 10,000 hands

leon says:
and you can keep chipping away
just means more gill for you to sell for the site
doing nothing means they know theres no risk!
so y now scam the fuk out of everyone!
your in simple words your like a feeder to a fat person
lol

Dave says:
This is probably going to blow up in my face but fine leon we will try things your way so you can see the outcome. You buy the gil and ill put the money to good use. I think in the end though you will see that things arent so simple.
ill even give you free run of the forums to post what you wish about him and any other scammer you come across
as long as you dont make a mess of the forum of course.
I still dont feel this is going to have a huge impact though
but hey egs gets better hosting out of it I guess.
so now the balls in your court. you let me know what you want to do.
so whats it gonna be?.

leon says:
thinking this over now

Dave says:
staying a step above the scammers is a long never ending process. which you will find out soon enough if you decide you want to do this.
Its a hard decision now that your thinking about it isnt it?

leon says:
not really just reading other forums about you as we speak theres a lot to look at

Dave says:
Well you have fun with that. lol

leon says:
lol

Dave says:
so should I go take a nap or something? lol

leon says:
best do mate its early where i am and late where you are
can i have my 40 mill then? b4 you leave?

Dave says:
its noon here. not late lol
and if you want the gil then follow through on the deal you spent the last hour convincing me was the best thing to do.
and now he wants the gil back.....I dont know man. debating on just givin it back to the dude

leon says:
ask him for the compensation that he offerd me and ill leave it at that

Dave says:
man im not a go between here for you and him. you can talk to him about that if you like.
and you preach to me for an hour and then want to just let it go.......
lol

leon says:
i cant you banned me lol

Dave says:
he mentioned talking to you on msn. talk to him on here

leon says:
you are the go between lol he already payed lol
i dont have him on msn i delete when he told me his name was justin washington

Dave says:
meh he paid for a mm for the gil purchase. this other shit has nothing to do with it lol

leon says:
lol

so why did you spend all this time givin me shit over this and you just wanna take the extra he gave and split?
you can talk shit with the best of em it would seem

leon says:
nope i would still buy from you
i just dont trust you have any as i stated b4

Dave says:
I see. I dont care if you trust me or not. Its your choice. If you want it then buy it, if you dont then it goes back to him. Im not going to keep going back and forth on this crap.
You waste my time and then "oh I dont trust that you have it"
like I said if I wanted to scam I would have done so previously on deals bigger than this one
anyway, was a fun chat but i think we are done here.
Enjoy the rest of your day. Please remove me from your msn.

leon says:
will do

that kinda well to me anyway says "We at EGS dont give a fuck if you get scamed" but thanks for looking

please tell me im not the ass here i really hope im not!

[derfy]

Since you didn't give a TL;DR, I will

TL;DR: "We at EGS dont give a fuck if you get scamed (sic)"

[Dave1980]

now now leon stop being a whiny cunt. lol

[leonmcain]

haha big kiss dave
just waiting for people to let me know if im in the wrong or "EGS"

[Shelly]

lmbo, sooo funny! If play safe boys!

[neoex]

I got an infraction for posting about a *BUYER BEWARE* as well, even after Dave did the investigation and confirmed the person was a scammer and my post was accurate. My infraction stayed for exactly what I am not sure.

There is a forum for Buyer Bewares, but if you post something in it you get banned or an infranction


Am I reading this right, EGS is aware Justin Washington is on the site selling gil and lets the transaction happen and even MM's them? Sorry I just skimmed the log.

[brtev]

It's good you came here leoncaim so you can get some frank answers about EGS. dave1980 is more truthful here since he's not forced to post lies like on EGS.

So far there have been 3 previously banned Justin Washington accounts that have been unbanned on EGS without any explanation, threads removed, and some negative feedback removed. Extensive evidence is provided on this site.

As a result of the above Dave is probably not correct on the following statement: "if you use a mm you cant get scammed"

Dave doesn't even have a clue what's going on at EGS. Since he can't resolve the problems I wrote about above, it's hard to say what kind of damage this "scammer" can actually do on EGS. Dave would rather leave the entire EGS community in ignorance so it's up to members like yourself to warn each other. Unfortunately, scammers have also been doing the same thing to lure people off EGS successfully. I guess that's expected until this issue has been adequately addressed.

The rest of the conversation I currently don't have a comment on until I investigate further.

[brtev]

Looks like angela here is commenting that dave1980 received some goods, yet dave hasn't replied for 20 hours.
MMORPG Account Marketplace

Dave has a post today.
MMORPG Account Marketplace - View Single Post - WTS R14 hero 9x,xxx+ fame Champ 6 600 euro

[FFXI Gil]

We're MM'ing items and gil now or did I misunderstand!? This is news to me. I personally won't be jeopardizing my personal accounts to MM gil/items and Monarch obviously won't be providing any FFXI accounts.

I'd also like to add - I have nothing to do with the main post here referring to MM that don't care. This is completely between dave1980 and leonmcain.

Originally Posted by brtev

So far there have been 3 previously banned Justin Washington accounts that have been unbanned on EGS without any explanation, threads removed, and some negative feedback removed. Extensive evidence is provided on this site.

Which accounts are these?

[Dave1980]

Originally Posted by brtev

Looks like angela here is commenting that dave1980 received some goods, yet dave hasn't replied for 20 hours.
MMORPG Account Marketplace

Dave has a post today.
MMORPG Account Marketplace - View Single Post - WTS R14 hero 9x,xxx+ fame Champ 6 600 euro

Just saw that post. OMG a whole 20 hour gap wow.